Last summer a Jalopnik review of the Mazda MX-30 led to a debate in the comment thread about what is adequate acceleration. Writer Ken Saito (2021) had just concluded that the electric crossover’s 0-60 time of 9.7 seconds was “hardly hot hatch quick” but for daily commuting was “sufficient.”
Some commentators disagreed. For example, edv1000r (2021) wrote that when “most of the competition is doing 0-60 in 6.5 seconds 9.7 seconds is an eternity.” And stopcrazypp (2021) argued that even “a base Corolla gets 0-60 in under 8 seconds today. And even if you compare to a much cheaper EV (like a $32,000 base 40kWh Leaf) that gets under 8 seconds also. 0-62 in 9.7 is dog slow nowadays.”
Other commentators pointed out that the MX-30 was reasonably fast compared to the high-performance cars of yore.
“People will complain about a 9 sec 0-60 while ignoring the fact that the now-revered E30 318 was slower than that and the Porsche 944 was only marginally faster,” argued BigRed91 (2021).
“It’s not 1986 anymore,” countered edv1000r (2021). In buying an MX-30, one would be “spending $45k to get smoked 0-60 by a teenager in a 9 year old Honda Fit they bought with their allowance.”
What’s this conversation really about?
If Indie Auto was a “normal” automotive blog we would follow the same path of the Jalopnik comment thread and get into the weeds about which car does better or worse in 0-60 times. Instead, let’s take a step back. Actually two large steps back — and think through our assumptions.
For starters, what is the practical significance of being able to go from zero to 60 in 9.7 seconds rather than, say, 6.5? Where in one’s actual lived experience of driving a car would a savings of 3.2 seconds make a meaningful difference? When — and how often — would one fully draw upon that acceleration?
The most important reason I might need good acceleration is when passing on two-lane country roads. It’s a genuine safety issue. That said, I may also take fewer risks when driving a slower car. So for me it’s a wash.
I find the idea of fretting about whether I could get “smoked” by a teenager to be silly. For one thing, when is that actually going to happen in day-to-day driving? And if it did, why should I care — except to worry about whether the teenager’s hot dogging might lead to an unsafe situation?
Just another horsepower race along life’s highway
Horsepower races have been one of the U.S. auto industry’s biggest ways to goose sales. This is just another form of what Brooks Stevens once called “planned obsolescence” (Adamson, 2003).
Let’s be real: The auto industry is once again trying to draw us into a “mine’s bigger than yours” competition. We saw this with the horsepower races of the late-50s and again in the late-60s. Even today, now-elderly readers of auto history websites debate with great passion which “muscle cars” were fastest.
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Sociologists have long recognized that highly visible possessions can be used to announce at a distance one’s status (Simmel, 1969). This has been dubbed “conspicuous consumption” (Veblen, 1994). Michael Mayerfield Bell noted that this can become a competition whereby “one tries to keep up with the Joneses, the Joneses are trying to keep up with the neighbor on the other side, and up the line to Liberace, the Rockefellers. . . and Bill Gates” (2004, 47).
Going fast can be fun, but what does it say about people who build their sense of identity around owning the quickest car?
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- BigRed91, 2021. Commentator in “Mazda’s Funky MX-30 EV Is High Style, High Price, Low Range.” Jalopnik. Posted 12:30 p.m., June 4.
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Except west of the Missouri River and east of the Cascades and Sierra Nevadas, exactly where can one use a vehicle safely by driving 0-to-60 in less than three-or-four-seconds ? I recently read that the U.S. highway death-toll hit an all-time high in 2021. Even on urban and suburban streets, some drivers are emulating their “role models” from “Fast & Furious”. We do not need SUVs and F-350s that can break the land world speed records, in my dated, not-so-humble opinion.
The all-time high for motor vehicle deaths (by raw numbers) was 1972, with 54,589 deaths due to motor vehicle accidents. This was far above the 2020 number of 38,680.
The peak figure for fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (which takes into account how much people are driving, as more miles driven increases the possibility of a fatal accident) was 24.09 in 1921, the first year available for that measurement. It was 1.37 in 2020, which was above the low point – 1.08 of 2014. It has thus been increasing over the past few years, but we are nowhere near the record figure no matter how it is measured.
An increasing percentage of fatalities are bicyclists, pedestrians and motorcyclists. Bicyclists and pedestrians are not permitted on limited access highways, where speeds are much higher and drivers are most likely to utilize acceleration capabilities (to merge and pass vehicles). A motorcycle accident can be fatal to the operator and a passenger at 50 mph.
People expect progress in their goods and services. That is why commercials hype expanding coverage and reliability of cellular phone networks, and why an internet provider offering 2001-levels of service (remember the old dial-up tone?) today would quickly go out of business.
With vehicles, the measurements of improvement are performance, fuel efficiency and driver aids. The easiest way to measure performance is 0-60 mph, hence the emphasis by reviewers. Note, however, that this figure is not hyped in commercials on television (it may be hyped in print ads run in the “buff books” that are not read by the general public). Television commercials aimed at the general public are more likely to hype various driver aids, overall comfort, go-anywhere capabilities or even fuel economy.
As for building an identity around a fast car – that’s just one way people try to set themselves apart from the crowd. It’s no different than building a sense of identity around having traveled around the world, eating at a different fine restaurant every week, living in a custom-built home in a tony neighborhood or wearing imported suits that cost four figures (with expensive shirt, shoes, belt and tie to match).
Some people are really into cars, although my experience has been that people really into cars go for the entire experience – acceleration, handling, braking and even styling. The people who regularly read enthusiast websites or print magazines are most likely to utilize the acceleration capabilities of their vehicles.
Interestingly, much of the latest emphasis on 0-60 mph has come from proponents of electric cars, who boast about the instant power generated by an electric motor. Part of that is genuine excitement over the rush of performance. Part of it is to make electric vehicles more palatable to a skeptical crowd.
As Julie Andrews once sang, “A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.” That’s still true today.
9.7 secs is fine for any sane driver of a transport vehicle. Sure, it would be hopeless for a sports car, but the MX-30 makes no pretence at being a sports car.
I’d be more interested in whether or not it is responsive across the rev range, and if it goes up steep hills without sounding like it’s having a hernia, rather than being swayed by some puerile 0-60 marketing hype.
We’re all going stark raving bonkers – for heaven’s sake, grow up!
In 1985 my Honda Prelude 5spd. had 100 hp., weighed 2300 lb., and did 0-60 in about 10 seconds. It handled sweetly, was light and airy, comfortable, and was always great fun to drive and never seemed underpowered!
Yup. I still have a 1989 Honda Civic sedan. Not terribly fast, but it is great, good fun to zip around town.
We can get too bogged down in minutiae here.
How short a time interval can the human mind perceive? I don’t know. I think the decimals are largely irrelevant here unless you’re a race driver. From behind the wheel, could you tell the difference between 0-60 in 10 seconds or 9? Not likely. Between 10 and say 7, definitely.
But life is not made up of 0-60 sprints. They’re a useful indicator of a car’s accelerative abilities relative to other cars, but a number on paper is no substitute for a thorough test drive.
I agree that this discussion is just the current horse power war. In reality most cars have more than adequate power. The slowest car that I ever owned was a ’75 Hondamatic Civic wagon which I drove in the mid 1990’s. That car was definitely under powered and was often at a loss to merge safely onto local freeways. By comparison, my ’70 Mustang with a 250 six and auto, driven in the mid 2000’s, had no such problem. My V6 powered ’07 F150 has enough power to tow comfortably on level ground. I tested it’s limits towing a loaded car trailer over the Cuesta Grade outside Paso Robles. Like a heavily loaded big rig, it slowed to 25 mph.as it crested the summit, but it made it. By comparison, that ’70 Mustang crested that summit at 70 mph.
I have owned lots of powerful (for the times) cars, but current levels can be dangerous in inexperienced or non attentive hands. There are loads of embarrassing videos online of drivers leaving car shows in high powered new Mustangs losing control and crashing after doing burn outs. Four to five second zero to sixty times are impressive, but not really needed and that rate of acceleration can be dangerous under a lot of conditions. I recently rented a ’21 Mustang GT that has over TWICE the hp of my ’96 model. I drove it back from Southern California, and after sampling the power a couple of times, I drove the 400 miles home like a sensible human cruising at a steady 78 mph. on I-5. I was rewarded with 28 mpg. by letting the other 200 horses take a nap on the way home. When would I ever need that much power? I’m not racing people at stop lights, but unfortunately some drivers are.
Jose, your story about the Cuesta Grade reminded me of when I rather stupidly used an early-80s Subaru to tow a trailer over the Rockies. Going up those grades and watching the speedometer fall — 35, 30, 25, 20 — while the temperature gauge inched closer and closer to the red zone. I made it without blowing anything up, but I sure got lucky.
So yes, there are situations where having decent power can be a very good thing. How about if we designed “regular” vehicles for that rather than for top HP bragging rights?